– And now: we keep telling you this, but we have to tell you this all the time. This scandal began during the Rule of Law and Justice, when Mariusz Kamiński was head of the services, Stankiewicz recalled.
What is it about? From RARS, headed by Kuczmierowski during Morawiecki’s rule, orders worth more than half a billion (!) zlotys flowed to the companies of Paweł Szopa (known primarily as the creator of the Red is bad brand). Szopa is currently abroad and is wanted on an arrest warrant, although he is trying to obtain safe conduct.
– Kuczmierowski, on the other hand, was arrested in London and is in extradition custody. So this whole story, Kamiński’s wiretaps about this case before the elections, are also convincing for Kaczyński. It drags Morawiecki down. This story continues, this one is detained, this one is in custody. In addition, the hearing on Kuczmierowski’s extradition to Poland – if Mr. Szaranowicz does not present anything – will take place in February, exactly when the final presidential decisions have to be made. This is not the most comfortable situation for Morawiecki. For Kaczyński, betting on this horse is risky, Stankiewicz said.
Morawiecki’s man is sitting in London. Emilewicz as emissary
– Technically, Mr. Łukasz had to hire a top lawyer in Britain, because that’s how it’s done. If you have a better lawyer, you have a better chance. But look who went to London to plead for Kuczmierowski – asked Kamil Dziubka from Onet.
– 200 thousand people traveled. pounds – replied Stankiewicz.
– In whose pocket?
– In the deep pockets of Jadwiga Emilewicz. Of course, ladies and gentlemen, we are making fun of the former Deputy Prime Minister who has left. I even asked – I have known Mrs Jadwiga for twenty-odd years.
– And what did she say?
– She didn’t say anything. He’s silent. Why was she there? She went to a detention hearing. It’s clear that she is related to Morawiecki in terms of her community, or she was connected to Morawiecki during the Law and Justice government, because she was originally related to Gowin. She didn’t enter parliament and is not currently an MP. She clearly went as an emissary of this environment, the Morawiecki community, to London. And Kuczmierowski – this in the PiS, let me tell you, raised eyebrows – he offered 200,000 in Britain. He paid bail and promised not to leave the country in case he would be arrested. [ostatecznie brytyjski sąd nie zgodził się na zwolnienie Kuczmierowskiego za kaucją – przyp. red.]. And in PiS they ask why £200,000 is a lot of money, said Stankiewicz.
– Quite a lot. Quite a lot. So it’s, to say the least, probably about a million zlotys. But that also shows one thing […] If Emilewicz came as an emissary, it shows that this group remains united. And this is just one example. We recently held European elections in which candidates associated with Morawiecki were supported by him. This is probably not just a good word. At least that is what they say, Dziubka commented.
PiS is full of rumors. What happened to the money from the big scandal?
– Ladies and gentlemen, this is the subject of rumours within PiS, which have some basis in the calculations of the competitors of Mr Mateusz’s candidates. Because Mateusz heavily promoted his candidates on the PiS lists. And they had competitors. These competitors can calculate, because they do it themselves, how many posters someone has and how much it costs. And Mr Mateusz’s people had a lot of posters. Let us add that in the tenders that Paweł Szopa received from Michał Kuczmierowski, the overbid was huge. In a tender for power generators for Ukraine, he won more than a quarter of a billion, more than PLN 280 million. And he sold everything: flags, disposable equipment. So, in general, the advance was great. And there is a theory – probably a bold one – that part of this increase came back later. The good is coming back, said Stankiewicz.
– Well, I also heard this theory – of course, in the form of questions asked by politicians from Law and Justice: if Paweł Szopa earned so much money, where did this money go? – said Kamil Dziubka.
– He wanted to buy a Lamborghini, but he bought a German BMW – joked Stankiewicz.
– Look, if someone, for example, wanted to finance the campaign of several people, it would be 280 million, so you could finance the campaign of several parties. Or several presidential candidates, Dziubka continued.
– And we are talking about a tender – added Andrzej Stankiewicz.
– 280 million is exactly the cost of Andrzej Duda’s campaign in 2020 times 10. So you could run 10 Andrzej Duda campaigns with that money – Dziubka explained.
Scandal at RARS. Who was on Michał Kuczmierowski’s side?
In the next part of the radio play, Andrzej Stankiewicz and Kamil Dziubka discuss the content of the testimonies of former RARS employees who spoke about Michał Kuczmierowski’s methods during the investigation. Much of their response was leaked to the media. Among those who testified was Justyna G., former director of the RARS Procurement Office. She spent two months in detention but was released. Justyna G.’s deputy and her predecessor as director, Hubert B., also testified. From their accounts, we know that Kuczmierowski was afraid of wiretapping and wrote down important decisions on scraps of paper, which he later destroyed. Even during the PiS era, the CBA conducted a secret operation in RARS, codenamed Walet. The details of this action were described by Onet.
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– An interesting topic is this: who was on top of Kuczmierowski. Because, ladies and gentlemen, this is crucial. Can we imagine that the guy himself set up this kind of thing? […] – Andrzej Stankiewicz asked himself.
– And he himself won and took it into his own pocket – added Kamil Dziubka.
– He must have something, since he has bail. But listen to the testimony of Ms. Justyna G. from July 18: “There was definitely someone above the president who recommended specific actions to him and gave him the main guidelines for conduct, which in turn were passed on to us, mainly to me. My suspicions about who could really direct Mr. Kuczmierowski’s opinion are based on the fact that Michał never made ad hoc decisions. I saw from his behavior that he is not a decision-maker in this matter,” Andrzej Stankiewicz quoted.
– But again I have the impression that we are returning, we are returning to the circle of the same person. I have a very strange impression, said Kamil Dziubka.
– According to the report of Mr. Hubert B., with whom Jacek Harłukowicz from Onet spoke, there is a gentleman named Cezariusz Lesisz. And once he asked him at one of the meetings and stated that he expected this government agency to order equipment from Paweł Szopa’s companies. Most of the people responsible for purchases at RARS: Mr. Michał, the heads of the purchasing department, Mrs. Justyna and Mr. Hubert, but also the representative of the president for purchases, Mr. Stankiewicz, worked in this agency either with BZ WBK, i.e. with the bank whose president was Morawiecki, or with the bank PKO BP, which was headed by Morawiecki’s friend Zbigniew Jagiełło. Is that what you meant? You know Mr. Lesisz well, right? – Stankiewicz said.
– I don’t know him at all, but I know who he is. Cezariusz Lesisz is a man who has been associated with the Morawiecki family for at least 40 years, if not more. Because he, together with Kornel Morawiecki, founded Fighting Solidarity. He was Kornel Morawiecki’s right-hand man, he was his driver. Some even say he was his bodyguard. Later, probably in the 1980s, he left for the United States, but generally after returning to Poland he was still close to the Morawiecki family. In a way, one could say that Mateusz Morawiecki is associated with him almost as much as with his family. They have very close relationships there. And when Mateusz Morawiecki became prime minister, Mr. Cezariusz Lesisz became the head of the Industrial Development Agency, – said Dziubka.
– 100 thousand monthly. And my wife also got something. Supervisory board of Orlen, PKO Bank Hipoteczny – added Stankiewicz.
– In any case, this is Morawiecki’s trusted man. Therefore, if Mr. Cezary Lesisz appears in this case, know that it may not be a coincidence – concluded Dziubka.
What else in the latest “State of Emergency”?
- Jarosław Kaczyński desperate for a presidential candidate;
- How did Jarosław Kaczyński lose Bańka, the candidate of his dreams?
- Mateusz Morawiecki’s great ambitions and great problems;
- PiS wants to dominate the nationalists;
What is a “State of Emergency”?
“State of Emergency” is a program in which Andrzej Stankiewicz, Dominika Długosz, Kamil Dziubka and Beata Lubecka They discuss the most important political events of the week. Leading journalists from Onet and Newsweek provide listeners and viewers with an unconventional, often humorous, but always substantive conversation, and their extensive journalistic experience and behind-the-scenes knowledge of the Polish political scene guarantee a powerful dose of information.
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